tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post149568788265685535..comments2023-05-11T13:11:27.968+04:00Comments on exo.blog: Internet Explorer 8: Over 2x “Fatter” than FirefoxResearch Staffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13688739704799598919noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-87429941124022769152009-08-28T16:23:11.606+04:002009-08-28T16:23:11.606+04:00Hahahahaha..... Threads idle or not idle, beta cod...Hahahahaha..... Threads idle or not idle, beta code vs. release code what does it matter? M$ just can't release a stable first release of anything. Beta testing is now long gone and the current release of I.E. 8 sucks just as bad, if not worse than the Beta version. I.E. 8 on it's own almost consumes more resources than the bloated OS can. The only solution is to install Firefox and neverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-26894098350697756572009-08-04T17:58:26.693+04:002009-08-04T17:58:26.693+04:00I don't want to say anything specific.It's...I don't want to say anything specific.It's just that IE8 should be introducted as a Beta Version and complaints of slower perfomance and experience compared to other browsers and it's own previous versions etc, IE7,IE6 and so on.<br />Well what choice do we have if each microsoft windows is pre installed with a version of IE??<br />not much plus only those that frequently use the ulwanhttp://www.gravetown.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-17163777919615190682009-01-03T01:02:00.000+04:002009-01-03T01:02:00.000+04:00Can you believe this? I've just loaded up IE* beta...Can you believe this? I've just loaded up IE* beta, <BR/>went to the google page, found out it was SUPER slow, did Ctrl-Alt-Del found out it was taking up exactly 1,882,273k Mem Usage!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-54036085939611938272008-09-19T23:44:00.000+04:002008-09-19T23:44:00.000+04:00I think you guys messed something up in your testi...I think you guys messed something up in your testing.<BR/><BR/>I check a group of deal sites a couple times a week… There are 12 sites.<BR/>IE8 Beta 2: 3 processes, 161mb. <BR/>Firefox 3: 1 process, 85mb total.<BR/>Chrome Beta: 14 processes, 149mb total.<BR/><BR/>I checked the same 10 sites you used in your test and found:<BR/>IE8 Beta 2: 6 processes, 256mb total.<BR/>Firefox 3: 1 process, 133mb Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-77883263954709230292008-09-15T12:13:00.000+04:002008-09-15T12:13:00.000+04:00I wasn´t even able to install IE8 beta, because of...I wasn´t even able to install IE8 beta, because of a missing update, that I have already installed. Thats ridiculous. I use FF3.0.1 and am abundantly satisfied. Anyway usability issues play a major role also, and here it´s up to the users to decide which product they like the most. As far as I am concerned I can´t bear any microsoft product exept of xp and office.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-40960892904944354212008-09-06T22:41:00.000+04:002008-09-06T22:41:00.000+04:00One last thing. I have noticed that Firefox and I...One last thing. I have noticed that Firefox and IE 8 (beta 2) are roughly even in resource consumption, except when hitting Flash-based sites. Flash sites seem to really do IE 8 in, regarding resources.<BR/><BR/>As far as features go, though, I'm sticking with Chrome for now.Chiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06496607578202452207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-72387392612409718062008-09-06T22:23:00.000+04:002008-09-06T22:23:00.000+04:00Hmm.. I'm running IE 8 beta 2 and Chrome and FF 3,...Hmm.. I'm running IE 8 beta 2 and Chrome and FF 3, all on Vista.<BR/><BR/>The fattest instance of IE 8 is using 20 MB of RAM, where there are two instances of Chrome consuming more than that.<BR/><BR/>At work, I make heavy use of XSL, and I have noticed Chrome taking nearly twice as long to process some pages as compared to IE 8.<BR/><BR/>So, I'm not sure that I agree with this article.Chiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06496607578202452207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-63529561911378203602008-09-05T06:09:00.000+04:002008-09-05T06:09:00.000+04:00Two thing guys. One: More RAM usage isn't bad. (so...Two thing guys. <BR/>One: More RAM usage isn't bad. (sounds strange.) You can't do anything with empty RAM. That is why Vista is faster than XP! Vista actually uses the resources it has. <BR/>Two: I am running IE 8 beta 2 right now on a 360MHz Pentium 3 on 256MB of RAM. IE 8 is actually faster than IE 7. It is very responsive. I can do other things as well and still have RAM left over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-6237980162337547492008-09-05T04:08:00.000+04:002008-09-05T04:08:00.000+04:00You meant to say "waxed breathless"...You meant to say "waxed breathless"...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-27160458793303247542008-09-05T01:17:00.000+04:002008-09-05T01:17:00.000+04:00You guys wouldn't have to worry about any of this ...You guys wouldn't have to worry about any of this if you'd just use the almighty Opera.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-64257434100171670972008-09-04T20:41:00.000+04:002008-09-04T20:41:00.000+04:00May I suggest a better metric for memory usage? --...May I suggest a better metric for memory usage? --> In a virtualbox with limited memory, disable the page file, reboot, open the browser, and load pages in tabs until the OS runs out of memory and crashes. Report the number of tabs.<BR/>There will be no interpretation necessary about how working-set memory works.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-20603021041074357612008-09-04T10:14:00.000+04:002008-09-04T10:14:00.000+04:00To everyone criticizing our use of Process\Working...To everyone criticizing our use of Process\Working Set to size the browser memory footprints: Please see our follow-up post in this same blog site.Research Staffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688739704799598919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-11773808803733414552008-09-04T09:46:00.000+04:002008-09-04T09:46:00.000+04:00Does the "research staff" want to comment on how t...Does the "research staff" want to comment on how they calculated the "Fatter" memory usage?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-47641686151852141742008-09-04T09:31:00.000+04:002008-09-04T09:31:00.000+04:00http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms684891(V...http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms684891(VS.85).aspx<BR/><BR/>Process Working Set<BR/><BR/>The working set of a program is a collection of those pages in its virtual address space that have been recently referenced. It includes both shared and private data. The shared data includes pages that contain all instructions your application executes, including those in your DLLs and the system Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-72964293791260392992008-09-04T09:23:00.000+04:002008-09-04T09:23:00.000+04:00I suggest you pick up a copy of Windows Internals ...I suggest you pick up a copy of Windows Internals so you can understand the different memory metrics you are using. As anonymous said above, your data is counting the same shared memory pages multiple times. In addition to the shared pages in DLLs there are also mapped files and page file backed sections that can be shared, both of which IE 7 and 8 use extensively.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-68711298179015285302008-09-03T23:34:00.000+04:002008-09-03T23:34:00.000+04:00Evidently you do not know what WorkingSet is. On ...Evidently you do not know what WorkingSet is. On Windows, workingset is the amount of phyisical memory that is mapped to a process. This includes the dlls. So, when IE8 starts a new process for each tab, the same code (dll) memory is mapped into each process. Therefore, if you have 5 MB of shared code & it is mapped into 10 different processes, by your count you have consumed 50MB of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-78115753273318090652008-09-03T21:16:00.000+04:002008-09-03T21:16:00.000+04:00Perfmon doesn't lie...and neither do I (we)... :-)...Perfmon doesn't lie...and neither do I (we)... :-)Research Staffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688739704799598919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-9985775987165485802008-09-03T21:10:00.000+04:002008-09-03T21:10:00.000+04:00You are completely off base here, I am running Bet...You are completely off base here, I am running Beta 2 of IE 8 and with 20 tabs open I top out at 200MB and that is throwing in some YouTube pages.<BR/><BR/>Now lets look at FF3.0.1<BR/>Opening up the browser on its own pulls a whoppoing 30MB just to start it up to match my 200MB usage in IE8 only had to open up 15 tabs..<BR/><BR/>Seriously missinformed FUD going on hereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-44151297091649082242008-09-03T18:51:00.000+04:002008-09-03T18:51:00.000+04:00Nick,Perfmon doesn't lie. Our Tracker agent usese ...Nick,<BR/><BR/>Perfmon doesn't lie. Our Tracker agent usese the Windows Performance Data Helper (PDH) library to sample the same counters that Task Manager, Perfmon, etc., sample.<BR/><BR/>Bottom Line: After visiting those 10 sites, each in its own tab, IE 8 under Vista SP1 had gobbled-up nearly 380MB of RAM (\Process\Working Set).<BR/><BR/>If it makes you feel better, Chrome is grabbing nearly Research Staffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688739704799598919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-57832334875100301602008-09-03T18:46:00.000+04:002008-09-03T18:46:00.000+04:00Missing Opera and IE6Missing Opera and IE6Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-82141638934802631192008-09-03T18:17:00.000+04:002008-09-03T18:17:00.000+04:00Can you update this article to include results fro...Can you update this article to include results from Google Chrome?<BR/><BR/>I also agree with a previous poster - I don't get anywhere near 380MB mem usage under a similar situation. Are you testing on a clean machine with NO browser plugins installed?Nick Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08912157587041641927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-58449511408713590232008-09-02T21:19:00.000+04:002008-09-02T21:19:00.000+04:00er..where did you get your figures from.I opened a...er..where did you get your figures from.<BR/><BR/>I opened all the sites on your list, plus some of my own - so a total of 15 tabs and I've got a 5 iexplore.exe processes totalling 194 meg of memory used. I haven't bothered to check the threads but still it isn't 380 meg.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-90673155569890868242008-09-02T20:48:00.000+04:002008-09-02T20:48:00.000+04:00This is such biased, ridiculous nonsense. First of...This is such biased, ridiculous nonsense. First of all, it's a beta product. That debugging code uses a *MASSIVE* amount of memory, slows things down considerably, and isn't representitive at all of the final product.<BR/><BR/>Second of all, where do you get that "Vista is 40% slower no matter what you do" notion from? Anyone who's actually used the system for a substantial amount of time knows Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-8159545750261205442008-09-02T20:32:00.000+04:002008-09-02T20:32:00.000+04:00How can one conclude that concurrent threads hog t...How can one conclude that concurrent threads hog the CPU and then show that IE8 uses LESS CPU usage in the following paragraph?<BR/><BR/>That clearly shows the authors lack of understanding in how things work. Thread switching has some CPU overhead, but one can't just assume more threads = more CPU usage.<BR/><BR/>Also when compared to firefox, more RAM, less CPU usage... seems like a very Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-52735841528970359572008-09-02T20:30:00.000+04:002008-09-02T20:30:00.000+04:00IE is just like Steve Balmer, a fat crazy piece of...IE is just like Steve Balmer, a fat crazy piece of ... stuff. They can't get anything right simple because what is right for the consumer is not right for MSFT. What is right for MSFT is to push for upgrades... so eating that extra 20 burgers is ok, we just loose the belt a little bit (again!).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com