tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post3726670210314831349..comments2023-05-11T13:11:27.968+04:00Comments on exo.blog: (Editorial): Rebutting Ars TechnicaResearch Staffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13688739704799598919noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-82175562341318384902010-02-23T03:56:05.539+04:002010-02-23T03:56:05.539+04:00I work at a Support Desk for a high-end trading sy...I work at a Support Desk for a high-end trading systems company. We run into performance analysis questions all the time. This ranges from the level of "Why is my computer slow?" to "Can you explain the paging behavior and any slowness that can result from so and so app?"<br /><br />Our programs live and die on system performance...so we've done a fair amount of Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578510810645670314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-38919459369473465692010-02-23T02:55:37.075+04:002010-02-23T02:55:37.075+04:00God you guys are idiots. I really hate stupid peop...God you guys are idiots. I really hate stupid people who feel the need to talk. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about so please just stop embarrassing yourselves. <br /><br />Save your last minuscule shred of dignity before it's too late.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05906641590014252781noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-82923321010322883182010-02-21T15:30:21.867+04:002010-02-21T15:30:21.867+04:00Russinovich is waiting for a response until he has...Russinovich is waiting for a response until he has succeeded in removing the ear to ear grin on his face. And looking at the desperate attempts to make your theory fly this can take a while. Get your schedulers out, you will be invited for some extra classes to attend since seem to have missed them after XP launched.Edgarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10197018533463853778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-67939760194061773252010-02-21T14:10:19.242+04:002010-02-21T14:10:19.242+04:00@dmartin,
I believe we've already demonstrate...@dmartin,<br /><br />I believe we've already demonstrated that "In Use" memory parallels the behavior of Committed Bytes in many ways. And since the opposite of "In Use" memory is "Available Memory," you've essentially reinforced our conclusion.<br /><br />Please see our <a href="http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2010/02/editorial-what-took-you-so-long.html" rel="Research Staffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688739704799598919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-55190542808703883362010-02-21T13:57:51.227+04:002010-02-21T13:57:51.227+04:00The bottom line to me is that Microsoft has alread...The bottom line to me is that Microsoft has already created a metric to show how your system is doing on memory, whether memory is getting to be a problem or not.<br /><br />That metric is available memory, which you can easily see in Task Manager, or Performance Monitor. Mark Russinovich has several great articles up at the sysinternals site on Technet, in which he explains in great detail why Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03504029389018775241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-19119026804162120382010-02-21T08:34:30.985+04:002010-02-21T08:34:30.985+04:00@SirBruce,
And to think, it only took three days ...@SirBruce,<br /><br />And to think, it only took three days for somebody to bother to check Committed Bytes in Perfmon to see if it's counting cache and/or superfetch allocations or not (hint: it's not).<br /><br />Congratulations! You win the "booby prize" as perhaps the only other person in the blogosphere who has a clue (besides us, of course)!<br /><br />Well done!Research Staffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13688739704799598919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-17447944927527729502010-02-21T06:17:18.544+04:002010-02-21T06:17:18.544+04:00superfetch is supercrapsuperfetch is supercrapUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07242866762563973274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-50362164278887895102010-02-21T05:36:12.404+04:002010-02-21T05:36:12.404+04:00Okay, I'm not trying to pick a side here. I w...Okay, I'm not trying to pick a side here. I was all ready to believe that their program was wrong because of superfetch. However, if they are actually using the Committed Memory counter, then perhaps they are right.<br /><br />On my Windows 7 box, I have 4096 MB of memory. Resource Monitor, Memory shows 1025 MB Hardware Reserved (graphics card), 1333 MB In Use, 30 MB Modified, 1686 MB Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04762034738566189145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-88264040146273704962010-02-21T03:51:37.764+04:002010-02-21T03:51:37.764+04:00FYI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista_I/O...FYI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista_I/O_technologies#SuperFetchfoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01291218564116315106noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-75874215087679231622010-02-21T02:31:19.309+04:002010-02-21T02:31:19.309+04:00Armed with this information, he no doubt would hav...<i>Armed with this information, he no doubt would have come to a far different conclusion, especially in light of the fact that none of the counters in question are in any way related to system caching and/or Superfetch</i><br /><br />Wow. You explained in your post exactly <b>why your numbers are wrong</b>, and yet you still won't admit that your numbers are wrong.<br /><br />Windows Vista BlakeyRathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11174560349487190450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-26712255182510771882010-02-21T01:36:46.716+04:002010-02-21T01:36:46.716+04:00I think the problem is trying to still argue that ...I think the problem is trying to still argue that the memory is full, when that's not what Ars is rebutting. <br /><br />Nobody is arguing that the memory is not full. You can use a sophisticated metrics analysis template to find that out, or you can just bring up task manager.<br /><br />Either way, what you're going to find out is that yes indeedy, the memory is full.<br /><br />What Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01151130585673761771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-77253573652979778382010-02-20T22:33:37.678+04:002010-02-20T22:33:37.678+04:00I would describe just why you're wrong, but it...I would describe just why you're wrong, but it seems people with a greater understanding of the field have done a better job.<br /><br />Perhaps you should learn from my example.Sikihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06324455210495059117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-70534158453982747852010-02-20T21:17:50.548+04:002010-02-20T21:17:50.548+04:00Committed Bytes is just one of several weighted co...<i>Committed Bytes is just one of several weighted contributing factors we consider when calculating the Peak Memory Pressure Index for a given PC – another point Mr. Bright would have understood had he bothered to ask.</i><br /><br />Alright then, I'll bite. What are all the factors that are taken into consideration when determining your Peak Memory Pressure Index? A nice detailed blog Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09193953350055380886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-62820074789869328812010-02-20T15:41:57.298+04:002010-02-20T15:41:57.298+04:00"Anyone who believes otherwise needs to pick ..."Anyone who believes otherwise needs to pick up a copy of Inside Windows NT (the original from Helen Custer is a classic) and start reading."<br /><br />Are you guys for real??? Are you basing memory usage on how we used computers in 1992?<br /><br />It's about time for you guys to buy a new book or two. Microsoft have released quite a few updated Windows versions since 1992. And I Duckofdeathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10000977587819925177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-43448676815952506112010-02-20T03:52:25.137+04:002010-02-20T03:52:25.137+04:00YOU MUST BE OUT OF YOUR MIND
Do NOT PASS GO
DO NO...YOU MUST BE OUT OF YOUR MIND<br /><br />Do NOT PASS GO<br />DO NOT COLLECT $200<br /><br /><b>BURN YOUR WINDOWS NT BOOKS AND STEP INTO 2010 BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!!</b>Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07334812752117863346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-54244194220257455642010-02-20T03:51:46.461+04:002010-02-20T03:51:46.461+04:00I guess OSNews is also also wrong, as well as Ars?...I guess OSNews is also also wrong, as well as Ars?<br /><br />http://www.osnews.com/story/22896/Windows_7_Memory_Usage_FUD_Explained<br /><br />Ignorance is bliss indeed.<br /><br />I suggest you start a new company, so your new users won't stumble upon this facts when they google your company.pejenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00808901093457445972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-54926113712328565682010-02-20T03:28:13.488+04:002010-02-20T03:28:13.488+04:00Belligerent stupidity. I think it's time you r...Belligerent stupidity. I think it's time you realized that you peaked working for Geek Squad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-44283759938464489812010-02-20T02:32:25.403+04:002010-02-20T02:32:25.403+04:00"None of the counters in question are in any ...<b>"None of the counters in question are in any way related to system caching and/or Superfetch"</b><br /><br /> That's precisely <i>the problem</i> with your metrics. They fail to take superfetch into account. Your numbers aren't strictly <i>incorrect</i>, but what they <i>are</i> is woefully incomplete for the purposes of assessing performance. <br /> <br /> The system Kettlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12463757122048081224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-78077707360346785222010-02-20T02:22:16.192+04:002010-02-20T02:22:16.192+04:00I cannot conceive of a better example of begging t...I cannot conceive of a better example of begging the question...<br /><br /><i>Mr. Bright is wrong because we say he is wrong.</i> <br /><br />The sad thing is, vendors like this have the ear of reporters like Gregg Keizer at Computerworld, and drivel like this gets widely read by pointy-haired bosses the world over. Thus requiring IT pros to waste precious time refuting this kind of nonsense...Hey Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16220929776249945956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-86086693481150272762010-02-20T01:33:01.564+04:002010-02-20T01:33:01.564+04:00"rebutting ars technica"...but p0wned in..."rebutting ars technica"...but p0wned instead.<br /><br />Good fail though, not quite epic though.<br /><br />How about a nice review of the USER and GDI stacks too?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15876131814008024947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-80015159749875239612010-02-20T00:44:32.341+04:002010-02-20T00:44:32.341+04:00Well, I've only been running it a day, but am ...Well, I've only been running it a day, but am getting alerts when there is not perceivable problem at all. Memory is fine, network is fine - yet I am being told I have a problem.<br /><br />Uh?Elby the Beserkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15060519682739666145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-6072998799578456582010-02-20T00:07:42.646+04:002010-02-20T00:07:42.646+04:00This entire blog (not the comments) are just frust...This entire blog (not the comments) are just frustrating to read. The level of ignorance displayed by the author is shocking.<br /><br />Basing your knowledge on a book about NT4 is fine. But the key is in the word "basing".<br /><br />It seems to me the author has just started on down a path in learning how operating systems work (hence recommending baseline material).<br /><br />The Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04761677008420632061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-61436028751004939622010-02-19T23:13:23.676+04:002010-02-19T23:13:23.676+04:00Your claims about the "Committed Bytes" ...Your claims about the "Committed Bytes" counter aren't even wrong. <br /><br />Suppose I VirtualAlloc a 200 megabyte region of committed memory. Hmm, suppose I have 40 processes each do that. The "Committed Bytes" counter will increase by 8000 megabytes (assuming I have a "Commit Limit" that supports these allocations). <br /><br />What will the paging I/O Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-5398099534725008662010-02-19T22:59:42.629+04:002010-02-19T22:59:42.629+04:00Microsoft should sue you guys for libel and put yo...Microsoft should sue you guys for libel and put you out of business. Because to continue to beat this drum after you've been so obviously shown is not right...ChrisCicchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09285628421941575721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1285849328344730084.post-10106601804896987882010-02-19T21:49:07.668+04:002010-02-19T21:49:07.668+04:00I'm sorry for the readers who do not know who ...I'm sorry for the readers who do not know who Mark Russinovich is. <br /><br />He is Dr. Mark Russinovich phd techinical fellow at Microsoft and part of the core windows OS team at Microsoft. Before that he owned a very successful company called sysinternals that Microsoft bought a couple years ago...One of the smartest computer guys in America not just Windows. <br /><br />His pushing the Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07011044917306704734noreply@blogger.com